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Yeah; they’re good fighters, and they give you the aerial display, and it’s kinda neat. It’s an ugly fish, but I got the State record for the fine scale triggerfish, or most fishermen call it. ‘Cause they’d be whistling and running, and the compactor’s coming down, and they’d be throwing stuff right at the right moment. And I couldn’t believe no one else had called, or maybe they had. So, it’s a scientific approach to being funny and silly, is what we’re doing. I remember kids would come out, and I wouldn’t be the only kid watching them. So, I followed up as soon as I could, and I don’t know, four or five days later, I met the guy in a Safeway parking lot with a three and a half inch disc. Staying up late, sleeping at the office, all – nighters, things like that. Oh, even out of college, sleep at the office, for sure. That could just stab you, it could go right through you. Yeah; there’s no boat to anchor you down or anything.

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